Thursday, November 24, 2005
Some of you may remember that shortly after the battle for Falujah, I posted about the US illegally using napalm, which was banned internationally in 1975. I came across this post on BLONDESENSE today. I thought you might find it very interesting. I sure did!
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I know this will mean putting aside your gross anti-Bush prejudices, which will be a challenge for you. But, if you are so inclined to support our military, find out what they think about the war.
I'll betcha you can't do it since you're always so busy sharpening your guillotine. But, go ahead...shock me and prove me wrong. You like proving me wrong anyway. Here's your chance.
And while I don't have any contact to speak of wiith regular army, I have a LOT of contact with Natonal Guard and Air force Reserve guys who have spent months, and in some cases a year and a half over there, And they are disillusioned, angry and depressed by what is going on there, not to mention the treatment they are receiving at the hands of the DOD, They are doing the work of the regular army, but not getting treated like regular army. so yeah, most of the soldiers I know are pretty damn disgusted with the whole thing. Of course , most of these are guys in ther late 20's to early 40's... not kid's playing war games.
How many of your NG and reservist friends is A LOT? Thirty? Fifty? One-hundred? One-thousand? Ten-thousand? Fifty-thousand? You know, the larger the group of particulars, the greater the probability. Did you miss any who had a positive experience there? How many do you think you missed?
I wonder if you prejudiced the study by your statement that a LOT of 18-22 year old gi's love to incinerate whole city blocks of people. Is this accurate? If so, how many gi's would that be? Thirty? Fifty? One-hundred? One-thousand? Ten-thousand? Fifty-thousand?
I was right...you can't do an honest inquiry here. But hey, it's your blogsite; you have an image to maintain.
When I was a kid, my dad's mantra was, "I don't care how many people are doing it, it doesn't make it right." I probably heard him say that a thousand times. And you know what, it's true. So I don't care if every single one of the 150,000 troops over there thinks using Napalm (or it's newer, even more deadly cousin, White Pete) is a good idea. That doesn't make it morally acceptable, right, or legal. Using it is immoral, it's illegal, and it is detestable.
My dad and my uncles, and all the men at our church, believed that part of what made us Americans was that we did things because they were right, not because they were expedient. They believed that ideal was what made us special, and not just another country.
Somewhere along the way, America has lost sight of that ideal. I can't count the number of times I have heard people justify torture because "they wouldn't hesitate to do that to us". Bullshit. The standard is do unto others as you would have them do unto you, not do unto others because they would do that to you.
If we are not fighting to protect and promote those values, then what the fuck are we bothering for? Because if we are not, then we are at best, just another country. Or worse, a country so lacking in values it threatens to drag the world down with it.
You know, we used to sing a song in Sunday School about letting our light shine. I don't think the author had the glow of Napalm in mind when they wrote it.
Your tactics are worn out, Bear. You love to make incendiary comments, and then get pissed when I call you on it and make false insinuations. You sound like a student of Harry Reid.
Second, since GI's online trading photos of mutilated Iraqis for porn has been all over the news for the last two weeks, I didn't think I would have to spell that out.... But if you want, I can look up a couple of the sites for you, but I should warn you, I've been to a couple of them, and they will turn your stomach. It is truly disgusting.
Perhaps if you got your news someplace besides FUX, you would have been aware of that!
And a large contingent of MP's from the Indiana National Guard has just got back form being deployed for over a year. And are going to be deployed back soon. I work with a number of these guys at the PO. So yeah, I know my share of guys over there.
Now I'll just sit back and wait for your ex-cathedra pronouncements. But as you do, you prove to me once again that you cannot do an honest inquiry.
And I have no doubt that many GI's are doing yoeman work trying to improve things there. But the undeniable fact is that we have fucked things up so badly in Iraq there is no no good outcome to be had. You don't have to take my word for it, some of the most hawkish members of Cpngress are saying the same thing.
Second. I don't "scour" the net for obscure sources. Most of the stuff that appears on my site comes from major news outlets, in particular the BBC and NPR.
No matter how hard you try, you cannot get around the fact that the use of napalm is immoral, illegal, and unAmerican. So is the trading of war photos for porn, a problem widespread enough that there are currently two seperate investigaitons going, DOD, and Justice, Be assured that the House and Senate will weigh in too. So rather than try to find ways to excuse the behavior, perhaps you could scrounge up enough human decency to be offended, angered and saddened. I'm guessin thats how Jesus would feel.
If we find that immoral or unethical things are happening, to be considered a moral society, we need to stop them at once. You and I agree there. As to your heart, I know that you hate to see these things happen. Where I disagree with you is the extreme conclusions you make.
I'm going to stop for now and defer to you and let you have the last word on this topic. I'll read what you say in order to learn what you mean and keep my big yap shut.
I don't believe for a second that All, or even most, GI's are doing evil things in Iraq, I do know that the numbers of are not insignificant either. And you can not blame the average GI for the use of napalm, he has no control over that,
The use of Napalm is clearly a moral and ehtical failure of the US government. And the decision to use ilegal weapons can only come from very high places.. think Rumsfeld and/ or Chaney. And I thought we were fighting this war because we were convinced Saddam had illegal weapons. What kind of hypocrits does that make us?
I am in favor of getting out of Iraq because a) we are doing more harm than good there, and b) because it is doing more harm than good to us. It has ruined our image in most of the world, and left us without a shred of credability in international politics. It has been a disaster for the Iraqi's, it has been a disaster for us, and the quicker we extricate ourselves, the better.